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gabe
06-17-2008, 02:11 PM
Alice 2.2 is now available in beta.

Download it here (http://www.alice.org/index.php?page=downloads/alice2_2_info).

lanceA
06-17-2008, 02:34 PM
Thanks Gabe!!

We should let the members know the Window's zipped download is approx 180 Meg and there is a seperate .pdf file you can download for basic instructions on creating videos of your worlds.

Thanks again! :)

lanceA
06-17-2008, 07:25 PM
Gabe,
Would it be possible to open a new Room Channel exclusive to discussion about release 2.2b ? NOT, let me repeat that, NOT to be used to discuss bugs in version 2.2b since you have already provided us with a URL for reporting these types of problems. And especially since we have all been forwarned that this is a BETA release and there may be some 'problems'.

I was thinking about an area where we might compile positive input about information that each of us discovers as we experiment with this exciting new release. For example, the brief 2.2b Release document mentions that this release offers "Built-in walk animation/methods for 20+ humanoid characters" but does not list these objects. This 'new' channel would be a great place for people to share which object's have these new attributes, etc.

I know I am asking a lot here, but would it also be possible for the development team to maintain a database of users reporting problems with the new 2.2b (Beta) so that we do not have to each time repeat our OS, memory, free hard disk space, etc., etc.?

I realize that I am probably pushing some boundaries here, but I would appreciate your support. I just reported a problem and gave all of the above information in the report. It was a minor problem about instantiating a particular object from the Gallery.

Thank you and please extend my thanks to the developement team for this new BETA, repeat BETA, release.

Thank you for considering it.

hgs
06-18-2008, 03:18 PM
I'm pleased to see this arrive. I notice there doesn't seem to be a source .zip available. Might I suggest one be made avaialable, preferably with the Makefile, Ant file, or whatever build script is actually used? That way peaople can test it further, and possibly send you patches. You don't have to accept any patches, but there may be some that would be worth having, even if they are not worth your team's time to write them.

Whatever your team decide to do, thank you.

DrJim
06-18-2008, 04:31 PM
Let me echo LanceA's thanks for the beta release, especially since it comes per your previous schedule.

I thing - if you have time - that the idea for a separate area to discuss problems is a great one.

And for forum users who aren't familiar with the term - "beta" software is a version released to the public before all of the qualification testing has been completed, and can be expected to have bugs!

So please make any comments descriptive and complete - "xxxx doesn't work with yyyy running zzzz OS" really doesn't help the development team at all - in fact it usually distracts them from doing real work.

gabe
06-19-2008, 12:12 PM
Yup, I can open a new forum for 2.2 related discussion. Although I have no problem with people reporting bugs to the forum. Feedback is good.

Regarding the source code, I'll try and get it up. Unfortunately, our programmer Madeleine who added the new features to Alice 2.2, is away this summer on an internship, so it might take a little time before I can get a hold of it.

hgs
06-19-2008, 12:45 PM
Thank you. If she is away I'm wondering how long the beta period is intended to be? If you get in touch with her it might be worth asking if there are any specific items she'd like people to test, patch, etc. There may be small jobs we can usefully contribute to in the available time.

gabe
06-19-2008, 02:31 PM
If we get few reports of issues, then the beta period will be fairly short. It all depends on how many as well as how big the bugs are.

As Madeleine is away for the summer, we will try and fix the problems with a minimal amount of guidance from her, but hopefully the issues will be easy enough to resolve.

I will create an updated list of 2.2 issues in a few weeks, once I've gotten some feedback from users, and we will go from there.

We are giving several teacher workshops this summer so 2.2 will get a decent amount of testing before fall semester.

hdixon
08-06-2008, 11:52 AM
Sure would like to test a 2.2 linux beta......;)

hdixon
09-02-2008, 01:35 PM
IS there THAT much in new code that the application size went from 123MB to almost 210MB? Wow!


PS - That's the OSX app I'm speaking of....

DrJim
09-02-2008, 02:51 PM
Can't specifically say anything re Alice 2.2 Beta (other than it has never worked well for me) - but screen capture (which is the video output approach 2.2 Beta uses) and 3D graphics programs are both notorious memory hogs - for the code itself, for buffer space for the code and for the output data. That's a basic reason most of the work is handed off to hardware accelerators and graphics engines, rather than being done in software.

hdixon
09-02-2008, 06:26 PM
accepted (but 70+MB??). Anyhow, I run a computer lab at a highschool and last year we we running 2.0 on the older apple imacs (800mhz, 256MB ram). Although we encountered the occasional bug we did not have any significant speed/response issues at all. I've since got a classroom full of the Apple G4 iBooks with 1.33Mhz cpu, 512MB ram. ALice 2.2 just dies on them. The whole laptop comes to a crawl. No crashes just everything takes 60-90 seconds between clicks. The systems are 10.4.11 with all updates except for the very last java update but as I understand it the Alice app is usually built for a specific java installation (I think). I have pretty much the same personal laptop (except 1GB ram and larger screen) and I dont seem to have the same problems as far aas I can tell.

Going back to ALice 2.0 seems to clear up the issues - still checking it out..

DrJim
09-03-2008, 11:36 AM
Interesting that the 1G machine seems to run OK.

Just guessing based on other experience - but I suspect the problem is that the smaller RAM is not big enough to hold the amount of frames generated during video capture without splitting the images somehow. That would lead to lots of paging to virtual memory - which in turn aggrivates the Java memory leak problem - which leads to even more paging, etc., etc.

Note that one change in 2.2 on Windows machines was to move away from the earlier graphics approach. That might be the reason that the program size increased so much. (I agree - 70+ M seems like a lot.)

hdixon
09-04-2008, 11:56 AM
Sat down with the 2.2 and worked for 10-15 minutes on my 1Gb and it eventually began exhibiting the same behavior so it must be the memory leak issues, just delayed.

Cheshire
09-05-2008, 12:44 AM
Is the 2.2 beta download still available? It won't open for me. I would like to try out the new models which incorporate walking movements. :)

DrJim
09-05-2008, 07:55 AM
Is the 2.2 beta download still available? It won't open for me.

Just tried to download it myself and got a message the site wasn't available. Might be worth a try again in a week or two - the CMU site sometimes has trouble between terms.

The fact that even hdixon's 1 G machine slowed down after a bit is interesting. I'll have to put Alice up on my machine with large memory and try it. Since that machine is running Vista and there have been a lot of problems (mostly minor) reported with that, it's something I've been avoiding.

bingster
09-16-2008, 07:32 PM
Anything further about source code for Alice 2.2?

Thanks in advance.

-Mark

...

Regarding the source code, I'll try and get it up. Unfortunately, our programmer Madeleine who added the new features to Alice 2.2, is away this summer on an internship, so it might take a little time before I can get a hold of it.

hjussila
04-03-2012, 11:26 PM
Though Alice 2.2 works fine, perhaps it is time for some of you to try out Alice 3.0 Beta. It has various features not in Alice 2.2 and overall, boast a better management system. It is far easier to use, so I would recommend you guys switch to it.

Jones989
04-17-2012, 11:44 AM
Though Alice 2.2 works fine, perhaps it is time for some of you to try out Alice 3.0 Beta. It has various features not in Alice 2.2 and overall, boast a better management system. It is far easier to use, so I would recommend you guys switch to it.

hjussila,

If you look at the date of the last post about the source code, the date states that it was posted back in 2008.

Cheers,

Jones989