Alice Source Code?

i completely agree with jim....well said buddy...!

[hjussila]

I think an initiative like that would require a project manager who takes care of time management and resource allocation. I have had experiences where we ran over time and in the end did not manage to achieve the objectives both set for the project and our academic learning, bad experience.

[Mr Kidnapper]

Eh? Doesn't care about project. Just want source (Evidently not there.)

[vorburger]

FYI: I've just pushed Alice 2.2 source code to https://github.com/vorburger/Alice. It's complete and easy to start, you just need Eclipse (but should certainly work as well in NetBeans or whatever other IDE) as well.

Now if only the v3 source code would be made available as well..

[erlendsh]

That's great vorburger!

Alice is a wonderful project with some great thinking behind it, but when it comes to their lack of openness in terms of the source code I really see no reason to do it the way they do.

Maybe back in the day with CVS/SVN it would be a hassle to maintain a server, manage contributors and such, but that's just not an excuse any longer. As vorburger has pointed out by simply taking action, we have Git & GitHub now. Pull requests completely alleviates any need to administer commit rights, and it makes coding social.

p.s. vorburger your (strangely compressed :P ) tweet about Alice and jMonkeyEngine was what reminded me of Alice's existence in the first place. I'm trying to get to know this community better now.

[miraeg]

Originally Posted by satovey

That's quite egotistical of you, assuming that just because
they are students, they do not have the sophistication to
develop on the level of the Alice team.

Fact is, those youngsters probably have an easier time
grasping development concepts than you or I do.

I have been using PHP for several years now, and
I get quite tired of some boob behind a desk telling
me that I don't know how to write programs because I
didn't take a class, or I don't have experience because
I didn't get paid. Pp-lease!

Fact is, if Alice is as complex as you claim with so little documentation, (not commented in the source), it tells
me that the people who developed Alice to begin with
aren't very good ad writing programs.

I'm speaking out of experience here. I developed
a PHP CMS program and now that I want to update
the program I have to sort through all the code
and figure out what I did because I was to lazy
to comment on what the code does.

While no one else will see this code, it just goes
to show you that proper documentation is a big
part of programming. Especially when the code
becomes complex.

If the Alice team did not take the time to properly
document their code, then I am of the opinion
that these students are more suited for the job
than the Alice team.

I am now taking a Java class and have two advantages
over many of the students in my class. The experience
I have with PHP enables me to understand many of the
concepts, while my not having commented code in my
previous work gives me a greater motivation to ensure
that I do.

Documentation is essential to any programming project.
To claim a project is open source and yet does not have
enough documentation to enable others outside the
inner circle to contribute, is in of itself an oxymoron.

I had thought about contributing to this project myself.
But now I see that Alice is a waste of my time.

Thank you for clarifying the Alice teams view on
contributors.

That's all I have to say about that.

thanks for the information