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Default 05-03-2010, 10:12 AM

Well we never said it was a bad game that you did.
All we said was that it is like taking our own ideas and calling it your own
   
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Default 05-03-2010, 11:38 AM

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if you publish things on the community then expect them to maybe get modified by other people, you have no copyrights over it
This is completely untrue. According to the Berne Convention, creating a work gives it an automatic copyright. Simply posting it on a website does not diminish that copyright in the slightest. It's Cindy's file, and she can give it to whomever she likes; that does not give you the automatic right to do the same.

I'm a stickler on this sort of thing; too many programming students get the wrong idea about what is legal. In 10 years or so, a lot of you will be relying on copyright protections for your own livelihoods
   
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Default 05-03-2010, 03:03 PM

I'm not calling it my own, all I did was create another thread in which I published it so that more people would be aware of the game that I made, but I gave Cindy the acknowledgement for coming up with it. Its like when someone takes Alice and fools around with it to form a similar program (like Maya). They give the Alice team credit for creating the beginning, they just edited it and published their own version. I don't see how I did anything wrong, especially because Cindy does not have a specific copyright on this particular game.


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Default 05-03-2010, 03:53 PM

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This is completely untrue. According to the Berne Convention, creating a work gives it an automatic copyright. Simply posting it on a website does not diminish that copyright in the slightest. It's Cindy's file, and she can give it to whomever she likes; that does not give you the automatic right to do the same.

I'm a stickler on this sort of thing; too many programming students get the wrong idea about what is legal. In 10 years or so, a lot of you will be relying on copyright protections for your own livelihoods
Well then I think Dameria should be sued.

Unless...

We look at article 2 in the Berne Convention:
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(3) Translations, adaptations, arrangements of music and other alterations of a literary or artistic work shall be protected as original works without prejudice to the copyright in the original work.
And it is clear here that it was not an exact or even a close copy:
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I took your outline and completely rearranged it into my own format.


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Default 05-03-2010, 03:57 PM

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Well then I think Dameria should be sued.
But then I would be able to sue you for changing my calculator program


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Default but - 05-03-2010, 05:22 PM

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But then I would be able to sue you for changing my calculator program
You gave me permission and I dont know if you seen the rest of my post


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Default 05-03-2010, 05:48 PM

She has no legal right to that world, alright? I had permission to change her world because she asked for help, I did nothing wrong and definately did not do anything illegal. I know it might have been a little immoral to post it as a world by a different name because it was Cindy's idea originally, but its not even that bad. If you want I can change rockette to another character and change the lollipops to gold coins or something, but there wasn't much to start off with originally anyways.

Lets just end it here, even x2495iiii agrees that I didn't do anything bad.


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Default I know you said you've ended it, but - 05-03-2010, 06:10 PM

Thats what ive been saying all along and I even backed it up with legal evidence as in my post before my last post above.


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Default 05-03-2010, 08:38 PM

K, so we are all in agreement right now that there is nothing wrong with what neither I nor Artyfishl did, so there is no more point in talking about this, thread closed, right?


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Default 05-03-2010, 11:31 PM

Good points all around, everyone, but bottom line is no harm no foul.

Cindy, if there was any indication that Dameria was trying to take credit for your idea, it was unintentional and untrue. We know the world was your idea and no one's trying to take credit from you in any way.

Dameria, don't worry about modifying other people's worlds. It's one of the reasons we share worlds in Alice: so others can enjoy them in whatever way they wish.

Arty and flats: Glad you guys know your stuff when it comes to copyright law. I do know that Alice worlds are copyrighted by their respective creators, but can be modified and redistributed as any other open-source media can.

Thread's not closed, though, just in case anyone else has any questions or comments.


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