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Default Is it illegal to make a video game clone - 05-28-2012, 01:56 PM

Hey I was going to make a game like GTA in unity and sell it on steam but someone told that it is illegal and I would get sued. Is it true? I am not using any of the original games code so would I have to pay rockstar royalties?


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Default 05-28-2012, 02:25 PM

No they have plenty of games like GTA


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Default 05-28-2012, 02:47 PM

It's not illegal to make a video game clone in the idea that it is just like playing another video game (WoW Clone etc.)
People in Crydev are giving a shot at making a GTA-like game (albeit with better graphics) daily.
What the person that told you it was illegal, meant that you cannot copy their intellectual property, that is the GTA franchise itself. Assuming that they don't exist in real life, you cannot copy people, locations, storyline, or make references to the game directly. By that I mean sticking "GTA" somewhere in there. You could do what the Japanese do when they reference anything and change a few letters, like WAIO or WacDonalds or PizzaFat.
It's also more obviously illegal to use assets from their game. When I say assets, this is a very vague term. Crytek seems to refer to assets as "anything that isn't a part of CryEngine itself."
Either way, besides the game engine, everything should be made by you and your team: models, animations, sounds, etc.
   
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Default 05-28-2012, 02:50 PM

This is what I put to him and what he responded:


Me: Hey I decided I am going to make a gta minecraft hybrid. but I will need your help. Try to look up on the unity forums how to make a 3rd person shooter and a random level generator and give me the information so I can make the game. I will give you a free copy of the game if you help me.


They guy who told me its illigal: I will not be a part of your illegal activities sorry. Look up online what copyright infringement is. You are combining 2 copyrighted video games! GTA has a trademark and copyright. Minecraft is also copyright and trademark. If you want to make a copyright infringing video game then go ahead but im not going to be a part of it. Selling the game that you make with 2 copyright video games will also get you thousands if not millions of fines, most likeley jail time and then you will have to pay royaltys to both Rockstar games whatever other company helped them and then to the minecraft company. Sorry but you are going to get in so much trouble doing this. I am not going to be a part of it. Want to make it do it by yourself
Multiple people agree with me on the fact that you WILL GET SUED for making a game like this without permission, breaking copyright laws and so forth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement http://www.lib.purdue.edu/uco/Copyri...penalties.html


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Default 05-28-2012, 03:23 PM

He's full of it. He doesn't understand legal terms.
Royalties are a fee paid in licensing—that is when you've been given permission to use their product or an asset of their product in yours, and you pay a percentage of your sales to them like a tax.
They cannot give you "thousands of fines" or any fines at all. They can sue you, and the government will give you one fine. That fine may be in thousands or millions though. This is assuming that what you were doing is illegal. It isn't.
A registered trademark is the idea that the government will punish people when they try to use your product's name in anything. For example, Harry Potter is a trademark therefore no one but the publishing company that produces Harry Potter can authorize a game called "Harry Potter", or any character within the series of books.
A copyright is a right immediately given to you once your idea has been published. Posting the idea on the internet is also a form of publishing. It is the idea that no one can legally copy and distribute your works without your permission, and you hold it for as long as you live +~70 years. Permission can mean a lot of things. ZUN, for example is extremely relaxed and has given people permission to use everything that he makes so long as you credit him as the original author. It's probably the reason for his success.

Now, I have no idea how a GTA-Minecraft game would work, but it's fine as long as you don't use their names or assets in anything except your own speech, "I thought I'd create a game that was like GTA and Minecraft." If everything in the game can be proven to be made by you and your team, then you're OK as I said in the last post.

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Default 05-28-2012, 04:00 PM

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He's full of it. He doesn't understand legal terms.
Royalties are a fee paid in licensing—that is when you've been given permission to use their product or an asset of their product in yours, and you pay a percentage of your sales to them like a tax.
They cannot give you "thousands of fines" or any fines at all. They can sue you, and the government will give you one fine. That fine may be in thousands or millions though. This is assuming that what you were doing is illegal. It isn't.
A registered trademark is the idea that the government will punish people when they try to use your product's name in anything. For example, Harry Potter is a trademark therefore no one but the publishing company that produces Harry Potter can authorize a game called "Harry Potter", or any character within the series of books.
A copyright is a right immediately given to you once your idea has been published. Posting the idea on the internet is also a form of publishing. It is the idea that no one can legally copy and distribute your works without your permission, and you hold it for as long as you live +~70 years. Permission can mean a lot of things. ZUN, for example is extremely relaxed and has given people permission to use everything that he makes so long as you credit him as the original author. It's probably the reason for his success.

Now, I have no idea how a GTA-Minecraft game would work, but it's fine as long as you don't use their names or assets in anything except your own speech, "I thought I'd create a game that was like GTA and Minecraft." If everything in the game can be proven to be made by you and your team, then you're OK as I said in the last post.
That's what I thought. If what he said was true then wouldn't there be no FPS games because they would all be "copying" wolfinstine 3d?


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He's full of s@#$.
I not-so-humbly request that you edit your post right now.


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Default 05-29-2012, 09:33 AM

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He's full of s**t.

Watch your language.

And to the conversation above....You can make a copy game of GTA or Minecraft or whatever, it's not copyright unless you use material/content created by Mojang or Rockstar. Most people consider those games "rip offs" of the real deal because it's so obvious to see that it wasn't their original idea.


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He's full of it. He doesn't understand legal terms.
Royalties are a fee paid in licensing—that is when you've been given permission to use their product or an asset of their product in yours, and you pay a percentage of your sales to them like a tax.
They cannot give you "thousands of fines" or any fines at all. They can sue you, and the government will give you one fine. That fine may be in thousands or millions though. This is assuming that what you were doing is illegal. It isn't.
A registered trademark is the idea that the government will punish people when they try to use your product's name in anything. For example, Harry Potter is a trademark therefore no one but the publishing company that produces Harry Potter can authorize a game called "Harry Potter", or any character within the series of books.
A copyright is a right immediately given to you once your idea has been published. Posting the idea on the internet is also a form of publishing. It is the idea that no one can legally copy and distribute your works without your permission, and you hold it for as long as you live +~70 years. Permission can mean a lot of things. ZUN, for example is extremely relaxed and has given people permission to use everything that he makes so long as you credit him as the original author. It's probably the reason for his success.

Now, I have no idea how a GTA-Minecraft game would work, but it's fine as long as you don't use their names or assets in anything except your own speech, "I thought I'd create a game that was like GTA and Minecraft." If everything in the game can be proven to be made by you and your team, then you're OK as I said in the last post.

Yea w/e. I run a website and if i didnt know some of the legal terms then id already be copyright infringing and would have had my site shut down. Yea sorry but im not an idiot either.

I am the one who told Beachbum about this and he originally told me that he wanted to make a game that was basically merging these 2 games togeather. He did not tell me originally that he was going to code the games by himself and not use their game code. Im pretty sure that you are suppose to get permission from both Rockstar games and Minecraft to merge the 2 games because he did not tell me that he wanted to make any different textures.

He then later came to tell me that he was going to code the game from scratch and then i told him that he could not use their textures, models etc. then he told me that he wasnt going to but he wants to use Unity like he said. I know that you do not have to pay royalties to anyone for making a game from scratch between 2 games.

Now lets just finish this argument over your stupid game idea and leave me out of it.

I dont want to help with your garbage game ideas.

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