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Default 05-05-2010, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by arty-fishL View Post
Well then I think Dameria should be sued.


We look at article 2 in the Berne Convention:
The Berne Convention is an international treaty, which refers to the policy between nations. I referred to it because it is the source of laws in nearly every country which say that an artistic work is copyrighted upon its creation. Within a country, copyright laws are generally a lot stronger. If you both live in the United States, working on someone else's creation is not explicitly OK:

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Who Can Prepare a Derivative Work?

Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work.
I'm not saying anyone should be sued, and twisting my words to imply that is ridiculous. I'm glad people here try to improve on each other's work. It's a good thing, and I'd like it to continue.

My point is that justifying it by saying that the work is not copyrighted is a dangerously incorrect justification.

I've studied as a computer engineer, and now teach computer science. Cases of programmers "borrowing" code show up a few times a year, and those of you who want to go on to make video games should know how copyright infringement affects the industry.

edit: x, double-check Alice's license. Alice is open-source, but it does not require that programs created in Alice be licensed.

Mind you, I can't imagine anyone every being concerned enough to follow up on a copyright violation. My main concern is academic and professional dishonesty.

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Default 05-05-2010, 09:31 AM

Again, I admire your thoroughness and professional attitude in this matter. I suppose I forgot that Alice is like Linux in a way: it's open source and as such can be modified or used to create whatever the users wish, but those creations and modifications are the product of the user and as such can be distributed or reserved as the user sees fit.

I am still somewhat fuzzy as to the implications of posting a world to this site and expressly requesting modification of it, as that would imply that the creation of a derivative work was authorized by the original "copyright holder" and as such, no legal action could be taken against someone who chose to distribute the modification as their own, provided they included an acknowledgement that the "source" was the "copyright holder's," not their own.

Also, regarding academic dishonesty, are you saying that plagiarizing an Alice world for school credit is legally actionable, or are you just highlighting its obvious moral repercussions?


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Default 05-05-2010, 10:38 AM

This is all getting a it too serious for me. Anyway, I have broken the copyright laws lots of times, nothing serious though, and nothing serious in changing Alice worlds.


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