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Mike Lucey
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Smile New to Alice with a suggestion ! - 09-03-2006, 05:24 PM

Hi All,

I'm a total Newbie to Alice and have only yet explored this wonderful program. I hope in time to get to grips with it and be able to produce some useful stuff.

I have a suggestion that may be interesting to some users that might be wish to create their own 3D models with some ease. I have been using SketchUp for some time now and find it marvelous when it comes to building 3D models, mostly buildings.

I have been able to import these models via 3DS export in SketchUp and the program advised by Alice. The only draw back is that SketchUp Pro exports 3DS but the free Google SketchUp could be used for learning, which I might add will not take too long for the average user. There are also a huge number of free SketchUp models on the SketchUp site. www.sketchup.com

Mike
   
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SketchUp to Alice
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Default SketchUp to Alice - 09-04-2006, 10:58 AM

In theory, you can convert a file from SketchUp to Alice import format (.ase) through Blender and then 4D Blue. Both are free - Iíve attached screen shots of the import and export options for each.

I say ďin theoryĒ because I havenít actually tried that particular conversion and my overall success rate going through both programs is poor. When it does work, however, the results can be very nice.

I also have been unsuccessful in importing textures with meshes - believe Iíve read that that is a limitation of the .ase format but canít find the reference right now.

If you are successful, please post the results. I agree that SketchUp is a good, user friendly 3D graphics program.
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Default 09-04-2006, 07:53 PM

Hi Dr Jim,

I think there may be an easier way to import. I read on this forum that Biturn does the job well and have tried it out.

Biturn may be downloaded here,
http://mirex.mypage.sk/index.php?selected=1

I managed to import an SU model, its the motorbike in SU Components. I was having a bit of trouble with scale but when I stuck with (in SketchUp) Units > Engineering > Feet, there was no problem.

I'm attaching a Screen Shot showing the bike

Mike

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SketchUp to Alice - continued
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Default SketchUp to Alice - continued - 09-05-2006, 12:52 PM

Given the 1970's nature of the Blender interface, the prototype status of 4D Blue and the difficulty (for me, at least) of getting a model from SketchUp to Goggle Earth - I can't imagine a more complex route.

However Bitturn doesn't list the SketchUp/GoggleEarth native file types (.kml/.kmz) as types that it handles. Have you been able to use it with those files or some other file type from the free program?
   
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Default 09-05-2006, 05:42 PM

1970's? pffffttt

There is a new ASE importer and exporter for Blender which is different from the one I originally referenced, you can find download links here

http://mediawiki.blender.org/index.p...rials/Pipeline

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Default 09-05-2006, 06:43 PM

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Given the 1970's nature of the Blender interface, the prototype status of 4D Blue and the difficulty (for me, at least) of getting a model from SketchUp to Goggle Earth - I can't imagine a more complex route.

However Bitturn doesn't list the SketchUp/GoggleEarth native file types (.kml/.kmz) as types that it handles. Have you been able to use it with those files or some other file type from the free program?
Hi Jim,

Only possible with the Pro SketchUp prgram via the 3DS export. You could of course download the demo and give that a try.

Mike
   
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Caligari Truespace 3.2
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Default Caligari Truespace 3.2 - 09-23-2006, 02:14 AM

I've been experimenting with Caligari Truespace 3.2 This is a pretty groovy 3D editor. I've only just found it and have only briefly experimented but have successfully saved as .asc fileand then used biturn to convert the file to .ase so that it can be imported into Alice. A bit messy but I'll keep trying as this seems to be a doable work around. I'm a primary school teacher so I'm looking for something 10 year olds can handle.
   
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Default 09-23-2006, 05:34 PM

Wow - 10 year olds? I'm impressed.

Have you looked at SQUEAK (www.squeak.org/Download)? Also, Mark Guzdial & Barbara Ericson have a nice "lead-in" to ALICE in their book INTRODUCTION TO COMPUTING & PROGRAMMING WITH JAVA: A MULTIMEDIA APPROACH.

Good luck!

[I have no idea why this is red]

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Default 09-23-2006, 06:04 PM

I've got a lot of questions, but I'll start with this one: Is biturn safe to download? The site looks like it might be crawling with viruses and trojans.
   
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Biturn
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Default Biturn - 09-24-2006, 03:12 AM

Mmmmmm? I'm no expert on judging a websites content or risk. I downloaded biturn and couldn't work out how to use it so emailed the author and had two prompt replies to my questions. My virus software didn't pick up anything. It does the conversion from .asc to .ase files really easily. But I really am no expert on this so have no idea what else is available.

I was blown away with what these 10 year olds were able to do. I made them do the first two tutorials but they didn't want to do the last two they just wanted to get into it. It was fantastic to watch them solve problems and discover features themselves. They found all sorts of things I had no idea about.

Thanks for the tip on Squeak. It looks a bit complicated? The website didn't really give me much of an idea of how it would help me with Alice? Can I make models with it?
   
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